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premium_steve 66 ( +1 | -1 )
drunken french defense: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 f5? i was wondering if this opening is any good or not. could also be used as a way to decline staunton gambit in the dutch...

it seems ok to me. maybe black can develop his bishop on b7. the trouble would probably be black's kingside? Qh5+ or Bd3 for pressure somewhere down the road look pretty good to me. or maybe there'll just be a bunch of bad squares for black and difficult development.

what could be white's best third move? i was thinking either e5 or Nc3 like a normal french. but h4 also came to mind.

i played 4 moves by myself with just pawn moves and created a funny little position:
1. e4 e6 2. d4 f5 3. e5 c5 4. d5 d6

really though... could this opening be of any use?

snake_man 30 ( +1 | -1 )
Well Crafty rates the position you described as being two thirds of a pawn up for white, that's quite a bit after just two moves IMO. Crafty calls for 3. exf5 exf5. At which point it considers White up by .90. It calls this the best line after two minutes: 4. Qh5+ g6 5. Qe2+ Qe7 6. Nc3 Qxe2+ 7. Ngxe2 Kd8 8. Bf4 Nf6 9. O-O-O
premium_steve 36 ( +1 | -1 )
i don't see why the position is all that bad for black after the exchange though. it's not great or anything, but seems ok to me. he has a center pawn there at f5. still has problems with a tough-looking kingside and weak squares.

note: h4 probably isn't one of the best third moves. i said it might have been in my first post, but black would just play fxe4 :)
baseline 29 ( +1 | -1 )
Here is how a GM handled it

Sveshnikov,E (2515) - Trajkovic,D [C00]
Pula op Pula (1), 1990

1.e4 e6 2.d4 f5 3.exf5 exf5 4.Bd3 g6 5.Nf3 Qe7+ 6.Kf1 Nf6 7.Nc3 Bg7 8.Bg5 c6 9.Qd2 0-0 10.Re1 Qd8 11.h4 d6 12.h5 Re8 13.hxg6 hxg6 14.Ne2 Nbd7 15.Nh4 Nf8 16.g4 N8h7 17.Nxg6 Ne4 18.Bxd8 Nxd2+ 19.Kg2 Nf8 20.Ba5 Ne4 21.Nxf8 Bxf8 22.f3 b6 23.gxf5 Nf6 24.Bd2 Nd5 25.Reg1 Bg7 26.Kf2 Kf8 27.Rh7 1-0

This is the line you'll have to improve on if you want to make this a viable defence for Black.
bucklehead 123 ( +1 | -1 )
Needs a good workup A quick search of the various internet databases turned up a surprising 42 games with this position (1.e4 e6 2.d4 f5), though none of them is ratings coded and few are likely to be contests between real masters. There are a few antiques, though: Chigorin defended the position vs. a Emanuel Schiffers in 1880 (draw), and Lasker lost what appears to be a simul game in 1892 against a certain F Elson on the black pieces.

And in fact, this has been used almost as frequently to decline the Staunton Gambit (though why I'm not sure) as it has as an alternative to the standard French.

You'd think that, given the early opening of the e-file with the early pawn exchange version, there would be a lot of draws. But this is not the case: with 3. exf5 exf5, white has a 76% win rate with no draws. Black does best when white continues with 3. Nc3, but only just: white still won 64% of the games, with 14% as draws. Overall, the record from 2. ...f5 is abysmal: 71% wins for white, 5% draws, 24% black wins. Of course, this is not meaningful in itself, but does suggest that a player would be wise to run through the historical games to determine what structural weaknesses white may be able to exploit.