17 ( +1 | -1 ) sicilian dragon defensecan anyone give the opening sequence to the "sicilian dragon" defense? i have read that its one of the best defenses studied...along with the indian variations...
with an idea of developing the black-squared Bishop on g7, which puts extra pressure on White's Queen side. Strategically very wise, but White can launch a deadly attack on Black's King. Not an easy opening to play (to say the least).
117 ( +1 | -1 ) Strong, perhaps, but not "deadly"The attack cep2eu refers to is probably the Yugoslav Attack (also called, much more colorfully, the "St. George Attack" after the legendary dragon-slayer). It runs more or less this way: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 O-O 8.Qd2 Nc6 with white generally aiming for a pawn-storm attack against black's kingside.
All that said, don't let this individual line scare you away from playing a chess opening. At your level, it's far more important to get a feel for the broad tactical and strategic ideas underlying a position than memorizing a line 10-12 moves deep that may be of little practical value. Think instead about how ...g6 allows you to place a bishop on an important diagonal, how you might use the c-file to your advantage, and how you may eventually try to use your d- and e-pawns to break through in the center.
The Sicilian Defense is completely sound and exciting, and for that reason it's continually adopted at both amateur and professional levels of play. You're likely to get into tense, tactical situations with this opening, and if that suits your style of play, then go for it.
120 ( +1 | -1 ) Better left to masters? Possibly.I've been playing it with some success at my level, and I'm certainly no master. I'm sure I play it 'wrong' in many ways; that hasn't stopped me from winning many of my games. Keep in mind that the Sicilian defense has a great many variations and gets very complicated; it is one of the longest entries in Modern Chess Openings. (I saw one that's longer, but can't remember what opening it is off the top of my head.) The above opening sequence given is just one of a great many. I usually prefer the Accelerated dragon, or something close to it.
I get the impression that the Sicilian and the English catch many opponents at my level off guard, but having only recently returned to Gameknot, maybe I simply haven't found my appropriate level of play again. There is certainly nothing wrong with trying it out and seeing how well you do with it, maybe even starting a small mini-tournament to generate a good number of Sicilian-type games. If you find that you can't do much with it, there are lots of other defenses to explore.
Whatever you finally choose, it's probably a good idea to stick with it for several games before giving up on it entirely.
171 ( +1 | -1 ) I agree with danders......try it and see. If you like the look of the play that ensues, you might find the line congenial for you. It is an aggressive line, Yugoslav, St George or Porcupine Attack - as the standard attack earlier described has been called - notwithstanding. Black has fine counterattacking chances down the half-open c-file, and on the Q-side in general. If you like "opposite side castling" games, well here you are! One thing to watch out for is White's "Levenfish Variation": 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.f4 ... b Now Black needs to think carefully about how to continue with his planned ...Bg7. To play it at once is risky: 6...Bg7 7.e5 dxe5 (Black could instead try 7...Nh5 with the idea of 8.g4? Nxf4!) 8.fxe5 Ng4 (8...Nfd7 9.e6) 9.Bb5+ Nc6 (9...Bd7? (ouch) 9.Qxg4, or 9... Kf8? (yarooh!) 10.Ne6+ (+-)) 10.Nxc6 Qxd1+ 11.Nxd1 (11.Kxd1 seems playable, too). After 11.Nxd1, then ...a6 12.Ba4 Bd7 13.h3 Nh6 14.Nxe7 (Pilnik-Kashdan, NY,1949) In view of this, Black responds to 6.f4 with ...Nc6 usually, or maybe ...Nbd7. Say 6...Nc6 7.Nxc6 bxc6 8.e5 Nd7 (or 8...dxe5 if Black is OK about the Q exchanges) 9.exd6 exd6 10.Be3 Be7 (10...Qe7 is possible, retaining to option to fianchetto the king's bishop) 11.Qf3 d5 or 11.Qd2 0-0, say. That hanging pawn couple seems a bit vulnerable and may require protection, but they do have a considerable presence in the centre for the time being, at any rate. I quite like the alternate response at move 6: 6.f4 Nbd7, as it leads to more "Dragonish" positions. However, Reshevsky played it against Horowitz in 1944 and went horribly wrong: 6.f4 Nbd7 7.Be2 a6 8.Be3 Bg7 9.0-0 0-0 10.Bf3 Qc7 11.Kh1 Rb8 12.a4 b6? 13.e5! dxe5 14.Nc6 That 12.a4 move puts a serious crimp in Black's Q-side action, and it's not easy to see how to unravel Black's Q-wing from here. Some food for thought, at any rate! Cheers...
60 ( +1 | -1 ) Better left to masters? Yes.Yes, because it is so much easier to play the white side. The Yugoslav attack pretty much plays itself, while the counterattack of the black side has to be very precise. Let's say that black needs to know much better what he is doing than white! The same is valid also for the English attack in the Najdorf, but the big difference is that black has not played g6. g6 surely weakens the defense and makes the white pawn storm so often deadly. If I were you, I would choose something else than the dragon for now. It's just to complicated to play for amateurs. Cheers magna68
40 ( +1 | -1 ) If you are not a master, probably your opponents are not masters either. You don't have to hold the Black side of a Dragon against Kasparov, you have to hold it against Joe Patzer.
So I would say if you like that kind of game, go for it. There's no time like the present. Better to struggle with a difficult opening that you enjoy than to die of boredom in a line you picked because it's "easier."
72 ( +1 | -1 ) My coach has started to teach me the dragon and at first I must admit I was a bit dubious about learning an opening which has been refuted many times by both GM and ameteur games but now I have found that there are also many unusual moves which can be made in the dragon which can catch the opponent off guard.
Against the Yugoslav there is the new Chinese dragon: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 O-O 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.0-0-0 Bd7 10.Bc4 Rb8!? with the idea of a quick b5. I love seeing my opponents face when I play Rb8 as they expect the usual Rc8 and Ne5. For white here Bb3 is supposed to be best.
There is also a good book by Chris Ward on the dragon which may be worth reading. I havent read it but I hear it is good.
61 ( +1 | -1 ) Maybe also check out how Susan Polgar plays it. -> www.chessgames.com
I believe she recommended it for amateurs somewhere. I could be wrong, though, so don't blame her if it doesn't work out.
I believe I've also seen some stuff on the Chinese Dragon on chesspublishing.com (more specifically, -> www.chesspublishing.com ).
164 ( +1 | -1 ) Here's an example of ...... a Chinese Dragon. Played about mid-2005 White: ionadowman... Black: siciliandragon (quite a strong OTB player, I gather)
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Bc4 0-0 9.Qd2 Bd7 10.0-0-0 Rb8!? To be honest, I didn't think very much of the move, but I had reason to change my view later... Not having any theory to guide me, I just played the standard... 11.g4!? b5! 12.Ndxb5 Ne5 13.Be2 Qa5 14.Nd4 Rfc8 Already Black's attack has made more progress than White's 15.Nb3 Rxb3! 16.cxb3 Qxa2 17.Qc2 Qa5 18.Kb1 Nc6 19.Bc4 ... With this I thought I had sealed off the dangerous c-file 19...Nb4 20.Qe2 a6 21.g5!? Ne8 22.h4 Bb5 23.Bd4 Bxd4 24.Rxd4 Bxc4 25.Rxc4 Rb8 I really thought I had repulsed Black's attack at this point, but another wave is coming... 26.Na4 Ng7 27.Rhc1 Ne6 28.Rc8+ Rxc8 29.Rxc8+ Kg7 30.Qc4 d5! 31.exd5 Nxd5 32.Ka2 Qd2 33.Qe4 Nef4 34.Ka3 ... I kept wanting to play Nc3 hereabouts, but Black refutes it at once: 34.Nc3? Nd3. 34...Qd1 35.Nc3 Qa1+ 36.Na2 Qg1 37.Qe5+ f6 38.gxf6 exf6 39.Rc7+! Kh6 40.Qd6 Nxc7 41.Qxf4+ Kh5 42.Qxc7 1-0 A piece down, Black jacked it in at this point, though I don't think he had to. The final position ain't a gimme for white (look at that sad knight!). Throughout the game I would think I had seen off Black's attack - his exchange sac on b3 didn't frighten me at all - but then he would conjure up further resources to put me under pressure. In the end I suspect all my moves with the g- and h-pawns were slight errors that kept Black's attack alive, but I didn't want to be reduced to passive defence. The worst moment came when I found my King grovelling his way up the a-file with knight being driven back to a2. Lucky to survive that, even though I won a piece subsequently, I thought White's winning chances problematical at best.
114 ( +1 | -1 ) Nice ion!! no theory and according to my opening analysis you played all the right moves. (save for g4 which is actually one of the worst moves :D)
As I said Bb3 is supposed to be best but I find that h4 is the most common in OTB play as players usually go for the immediate counterplay rather then the 'waste of time move' Bb3. After 11.h4 Black can sac a pawn as in ion's game with b5 where the games are similar except that there is a pawn at h4 instead of g4. The other move is 11...Na5 12.Bb3 b5. The most interesting continuation is then: 13.Bh6 Bxh6! (usually it is bad for black to draw the queen towards the black king but in this case it serves to draw the queen away from the Q-side as blacks attack is quicker than whites.) 14. Qxh6 e5 (So that after Nxb3 the knight cannot retake which means that white has doubled pawns. Also good to note is that the weakness of the d pawn cannot be exploited.) 15.Nde2 b4 16.Nd5 Nxb3+ 17.axb (cxb and the c-file is dangerous) Nxd5 18.Rxd5 Be6 19.h5 Qc7 20. hx6 fxg! (now the black queen defends h7 and attacks the c file) 21.Rxd6 Rfc8! 22. Kb1 Rb6!! and white is lost as Rxb6 Qxc2+ Ka1 axb leads to mate as after Qxh7+ black can run the king.
174 ( +1 | -1 ) Thanks for the compliment......far1ey! Though I don't think it's all that deserved. White's choices after 11.g4?! look pretty limited. Several of my subsequent moves were pretty much forced! It was something that made the defence a little easier ;-) I thought (once Black's attack was developing fast) that maybe a timely 11.Bb3 might have been an improvement on 11.g4. Also, had I appreciated at move 11. that the weakness left on f3 would prove important, I think I probably would have gone for 11.h4 instead. Though now I come to look at it again, after 12...Ne5 White still has to retreat 13.Be2 (13.Bf1 doesn't seem much of an improvement). I seem to recall spending ages thinking about how to take on b5, too, though admittedly 12.Ndxb5 seemed the most 'natural' capture. During the game, I wasn't all that worried about Black's attack in the early stages - I didn't think the exchange sac on b3 was very playable, even. How could he follow it up? It was only later, when he kept frustrating my attempts to seize the initiative that things got worrying. The sac turned out to be quite playable after all. But it does make me wonder if and where Black could have improved his attack? Black always - up to about move 35 - seemed to be able to create dangerous chances; White always seemed (just) able to hang on. It sounds as though Black could have done better (so maybe could White!).
I enjoyed your ... analysis? ... following the 11.h4 Na5 12.Bb3 b5 line. Was it an actual game, or a theoretical line someone has developed? It's pretty knife-edge stuff, anyhow! It seems that 13.Bh6 isn't very good, then. Cheers, Ion
16 ( +1 | -1 ) ion I think it is someone elses analysis but I am not sure whom's perhaps Chris Ward's?
Popular moves for move 11 are Bb3 Nd5 h4 Nb3 Nxc6 (can white win a pawn?) and g4.
552 ( +1 | -1 ) Here are some examples of 11. g4 , and you are right ionadowman, white's choices are pretty much forced after this. It is easier to play this position on white, specially for club players, not to mention amateurs. And we know more or less what the pros think of the dragon currently. I just can't see any reason for black to go down this path when he can choose for example the Najdorf, which is more solid (if that word can be used about it!) and fun to play. Death to the Dragon! :-) cheers magna68
74 ( +1 | -1 ) Wow!Thanks for all this magna68! It looks as though 11.g4 has had its share of successes. The Zesch-Knop looks like a fighting game throughout, and the Smith-Wu game is also complicated and interesting. There's plenty of ways for both sides to go wrong. I was a bit surprised no one in these games tried "my" line: 11.g4 b5 12.Ndxb5, the nearest being the Slechta-Boehm game: 11.g4 b5 12.Bb3 a5 13.Ndxb5, when Black quickly netted the exchange, and then saw off White's counterattack...Maybe the positioning of White's King's Bishop is important, or in my game, Black needed to "get in" ...a5 sometime early in the attack, instead of (or before) ...Qa5. It is very interesting and instructive to play through these games... Cheers, Ion
8 ( +1 | -1 ) Kasparov said that 11. g4 was the only good way to play against the dragon.
61 ( +1 | -1 ) Fischer vs PurevhavI first saw this game earlier today and thought it interesting, besides showing RJF finally using a Yugoslav Attack vs a Dragon ! (For instance vs Larsen and Olaffson- spelling?!- he chose lines with o-o instead...and won anyway) *** Fischer - Purevhav -> www.chessgames.com
(If this link does not take you directly to the game, it may be that I am permanently logged there and you are not!? So you might need to login first and reclick here or just enter the game info. The game number on that site is 1044171 )
17 ( +1 | -1 ) Conditional move ? A conditional move has been triggered (see link below )
What is a conditional move ?
Game vs buzzarhawk, 32nd tournament, 16 - Jan - 07 .
I did not see a link bwlow !
Thank you : cayuga
136 ( +1 | -1 ) Cayuga......why is your posting appearing here? In answer to your query, a conditional move is one in which your opponent has already decided what his response will be IF you play a particular move. The effect for you is that, having made your move, the triggered conditional move is an instantaneous response. It's your move again. No big deal: it's just a time saver, used often in openings (e.g. book lines) or when one's opponent's moves are forced or otherwise obvious. You can, by the way, string a series of conditionals together. For example, suppose you played 1.e4 and you knew your opponent invariably played the Dragon Defence. Then you can string conditionals like this: IF you play 1...c5, I play 2.Nf3, then IF you play 2...d6, then I play 3.d4; then IF you play 3...cxd4, I play 4.Nxd4; then if you play ... etc. You can see how much time is saved compared with playing the moves one at a time. Of course, a conditional move is triggered only if the anticipated move is played. Suppose in the above sequence, Black played 2...Nc6 instead of 2...d3. The conditional sequence stops there, and "normal" play resumes. Check out the orange list below the game board (begins with "Analyze the game"). The last one is "Conditional moves" - which allows you make your response to any move you expect your opponent to make. Hope this helps.
37 ( +1 | -1 ) Silician understandingI just got a job in chess coaching even though I'm the worst chess player around my area lol. Anyway at my chess place they tend to teach kids this silician dragon variation I get the impression that many of the juniors are just memorising stuff and hoping that there opponents will play into there preperation.
43 ( +1 | -1 ) I think ...they are probably wise to memorize as much as they can of the cutting edge theory, after having the basic concepts down. There aren't that many of those basic concepts (some sacs on c3, d4 by black, e pawn by wt,etc) really and it becomes a matter of if you do and what order you do things that are there to be done :) Congrats on the job bunta !
56 ( +1 | -1 ) ps.. unfortuatelythere always seem to be more WT improvements sitting in my goody-bag to try than black ones. I guess one doesnt "buck" Fischer lightly ... even after a couple decades :) On the other hand black will almost always know his subject better at such level. You dont tend to meet people who stay up and play 243 blitz najdorfs till dawn until they get about class A or over. Then players do crazy things like learn the Dragon and not play it ... :)) At least in the Omaha Experience