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asano234 77 ( +1 | -1 )
depressed icelandic gambit lover dear chess gods please help me.i have been playing the scandinavian defense for years after watching the fantastic video by IM Andrew Martin and have had many years of success. However i have found a line for white that troubles me deeply.1.e4 d5 2.exd Nf6 3.c4 e6! 4.dxe Bxe 5.Nf3! now this move may not seem that much but i played as recommended c5 to bolt down the d pawn of whites only to recieve 6.d4!? which is not supposed to be playable but when i saw it all i could do was take it and after this i found my self a pawn down with precious little compensation i grovelled my way to a draw but it wasnt the fun attack i usually associate (do or die) with this opening.PLEASE HELP ME RESTORE MY FAITH IN THIS NORMALLY EXCITING OPENING.many thanks
tulkos 8 ( +1 | -1 )
Warning! Whoever answers the above question will be given the title of 'Chess God'---
asano234 3 ( +1 | -1 )
very funny smartarse lol :)
budakkampung 47 ( +1 | -1 )
5. .....Qe7!? I did not do any analysis yet..
However this move i think is better than c5.. it delay white development! it force white to play Qe2
and black can plan to develop the queen side knight on b8 and follows by 0-0-0 ...

Black develop faster while white have trouble developing pieces. The white king stuck in the middle.

That is my opinion .. if u think it is ok than test it with your opponent ... i'd like to see wether this idea is working or not .. :-)

budakkampung


bartlebie 7 ( +1 | -1 )
cxd4 and after Dxd4 Nc6 seems ok.
After Nd4 there is Bb4+ and this too seems ok to me.
philaretus 19 ( +1 | -1 )
asano234 I don't understand why you give 3...e6 an exclamation mark. The recommended move is 3...c6. After 4.dxc6 Nxc6, Black has excellent positional compensation for the pawn. For this reason, 3.c4 deserves a question mark.
lorddreyfuss 6 ( +1 | -1 )
Philaretus No, 3.c4, c6; 4.d4 is a normal variation where White is slightly better.
themagic_1 3 ( +1 | -1 )
Thats why its call a gambit.....
keiserpaul 24 ( +1 | -1 )
asano234 I have a lot of books on the Icelandic Gambit but i never found the move c5 after 5.Nf3. Normal moves are 5. .. Nc6 and 5. .. Qe7, of which, Budakkampung is right, Qe7 is the best choice (according to Selby Anderson, IM, 2300 ELO). Game can continue with 6.Qe2 Nc6 7.d4 and then 7. .. 0-0-0 8.d5 Qb4 9.Nc3 Bf5 10.dxc6! or 7. .. Bf5 8.Qe7 Be7 9.a3! or 7. .. Bg4 8.Qe7 Be7 9.Be3 Bf3
asano234 67 ( +1 | -1 )
philaretus the reason i give e6 an ! is because the icelandic gambit starts from here it is an extremely powerful gambit.the main line runs 4.dxe Bxe 5.d4 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 BxB+ 7.QxB Qe7 8.Qe3 Nc6 9.d5?! 0-0-0!!!
10.dxN Rhe8! 11.Qxa7(threatening mate in one) Bxc4+ 12.Be2 Qxe2+! 13.Nxe2 Rxe2+ 14.Kf1 Rd1 mate. this is the type of carnage that the icelandic can deliever have a look for yourselfs .i dont like the idea of blocking in my bishop with queen e7 because i have gambited a pawn and this will lose time and the last thing we can afford is to lose the intiative. this is why in the video andrew martin recommends c5 to nail down the d pawn before starting actions after 5. Nf3. thanks to all for your replies
atrifix 60 ( +1 | -1 )
Icelandic I think that keiserpaul's lines are right, but AFAIK White has a clear edge in all of those lines. 5... Nc6 is also possible, but 6. d4 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Ne4 (7... Qe7 8. Qe2 leads to positions similar to 5... Qe7, if 8. Qe2 0-0-0 9. d5) 8. Bd2 Nxd2 9. Qxd2 Qe7 10. 0-0-0 also gives White an edge.

5... c5, of course, runs into 6. d4. 6... cxd4 7. Qxd4 Nc6 8. Qxd8+ Rxd8 9. a3 gives White a clear edge, as does 7. Nxd4 Bb4+ 8. Nc3 Ne4 9. Nxe6.

3... c6 is the preferred 'safe' continuation, which transposes to the Panov-Botvinnik Attack of the Caro-Kann after 4. d4 cxd5 (4. dxc6?! Nxc6 gives Black control of d4).
budakkampung 8 ( +1 | -1 )
one more free pawn... is it ok to give one more pawn at f7?
e.g 1.e4 d5 2.exd Nf6 3.c4 e6! 4.dxe Bc5 5.exf7+
Kxf7

Just asking .. :)

budakkampung
keiserpaul 8 ( +1 | -1 )
Hey guys Shall we organize an Icelandic Gambit mini-tournament to check all this out ?